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that is tonight for the last word. the 11th hour with stephanie ruhle starts right now. at this hour, breaking news. the supreme court strikes down a trump era ban on bump stocks. >> if you see a person firing one of these next to someone firing a submachine gun, you cannot tell the difference. >> president biden releasing a statement calling on congress to ban bump stocks. >> president biden at the g7 summit in italy today. >> much of the attention focused on what he said about his son, hunter's, federal gun conviction. >> coming from the proud of my son, hunter, he is over, could addiction. >> the president has previously said he would not pardon his

son, but tonight he went even further on commutation. a congressional pep rally, of sorts, for the congressional nominee speaking to lawmakers behind closed doors. >> a show of hands for anyone in the room who hung out with a felon today. >> i am with them 1000%, they are with me 1000%. >> i think it must be so humiliating for them. and all that happen in just one week. good evening, once again, i am stephanie ruhle. we are now 144 days away from the election. this week president biden was on the world stage meeting with allies as his son was found guilty on federal gun charges. and donald trump return to washington, where republicans who ran for their lives after january 6th welcomed him back with open arms. with that, let's bring in our nightcap,

hayes brown is here. msnbc daily columnist and editor. and pulitzer prize-winning reporter for the new york times. u.s. editor at large for the financial times, and comedian alex edelman. it is his first visit to the nightcap. let's talk about this week. donald trump had an absolute love fest with republican leaders who seemed to have forgotten or at least dismissed january 6th. if you remember, after that date, many republicans openly criticized him. wanted him to go away. i am looking at you, mitch mcconnell, and lindsey graham. but now donald trump is back, and he is not just the nominee. he is the party. can we just start with, let's just talk about that donald trump circle of life since january 6th. and to this week, what is your take? >> as someone who talked to a lot of business leaders and financial leaders, what i find stunning is that after saying they would never deal with donald trump again, behind the

scenes, it is not just the up front public stuff in washington. it is the behind-the-scenes schmoozing you are seeing from wall street reaching out to trump. and i was in asia last week, and again, you can see asian leaders as well beginning to adjust themselves to a world where trump comes back in november. >> but is that because you think that people, business leaders, for example, are excited have them back? or they are just breaking themselves and they know they have a decent chance, he is going to be the guy. and they don't want to be on his enemy list. >> i feel like business leaders are making, they are trying to make a compromise at this time, trying to figure out where to place their bets. on cnbc today, andrew ross sorkin, my colleague, he had spoken to many of the people in the meeting that jillian just reference. the business roundtable. came out and told andrew he sounded crazy, he was rambling. more of the same, he wants to cut the corporate tax rate from 21% to 20%. >> has companies do not pay

taxes. hold on, even before the corporate tax cut none of them asked for 21%. 28% was their goal. he saying i'm going to go even lower. >> said there is a world in which i think one of the things andrew said, some of these people were inclined to support him because they are thinking about their pocketbooks more than they are thinking about abortion rights, welfare for the country, democracy. which is not a surprise. but even they were disturbed by the trump that they just met. >> hayes is jumping out. >> the problem i have with that, andrew's reporting is so good, but the fact they are not coming out and saying it, coming out on camera and saying you know what? we just saw the former president and we have a lot of concerns, actually. the fact that they are saying it, making these moves behind closed doors, not being up front with it, i think that is as cowardly as the republicans in congress who are willing to stand next to him in order to

make sure that they are on his good side should he win. >> okay, but this is what is crazy about that to me. that these ceos who, in theory, should be among the most informed people in this country . right? they have thousands and thousands of employees. they were a multibillion dollar businesses. and somehow they were surprised that donald trump made no sense, was meandering, and seems to be lost. how on earth could they not know that? all you have to do is watch him speak. >> is degradation, because you thought that he was at the bottom before. you thought there was no lower that he could possibly go. then where he has been. and then you watch this it is like i am surprised when i watch the speeches. he has always been a rambler, but i thought he was at the concrete floor. he is in china. has completely gone through the other side. and he looks terrible. >> but he is up against this whole wall of chatter about

biden looking terrible and biden rambling, as well. so i think what is happening is a lot of people are screaming out and saying they're both sounding really old, so we will look at these questions of policies. >> and the other thing is that he has been such a bully, and the people -- >> i like how you had to pause and think. >> i was wondering whether or not to say the word effective, because it's not just him, it is his allies. think about everyone in the republican party who has been drummed out so viciously. liz cheney, those folks, it feels like they are gone. >> or weirdly embraced, like larry hogan today running for senate in maryland. trump is looking at rip orting endorsing him. no justice is working after his conviction. >> one of trump's campaign leaders was like your campaign is over, you are dead meat. now they are realizing maybe not. >> i think a lot of business leaders are looking at the fact that trump is endorsing a

number of republicans who are much more mainstream than in the past. thinking well, maybe if he can do that, maybe his policies will be quite so crazy. >> okay, but that is wishful thinking. if he was really doing that he would come right out and say nikki haley is my vp. right? nikki haley continues to have support. she was out of the race for two months, and still, at some of those primaries she had 20% of the vote. and there are all these people who have this notion that she is this george bush republican, and he is not embracing her. he humiliated her over and over again and she has endorsed him. but i want to go back to the point you made, people are saying trump might be meandering, but so is joe biden. let's talk about what we saw happen this week. because the right is manufacturing these stories they are telling about joe biden. we saw it this week. the crop video from the g7 summit suggesting that joe biden was lost in a field, speaking to a paratrooper. it wasn't even true.

we actually have a clip that i want to show. oh, no, you know what? we have a clip of donald trump, sorry. >> vago, me meandering. they made up the fact that joe biden was lost at the g7, meandering through a field. it wasn't true. that headline made its way to the new york post, all over right-wing media. all of her fox news this morning. yet none of them were talking about donald trump, who, earlier this week, i think in vegas, was getting a speech and somehow went so off the rails talking about an electric vote and shark bites. we do have a clip of this. watch this. >> i say what would happen if the boat sank from its weight and you are in the boat, and you have this tremendously powerful battery, and the battery is now underwater, and there is a shark that is approximately 10 yards over there. by the way, a lot of shark attacks lately, you notice that?

i watch some guys justifying it today. well, they weren't really that angry, they bit off the young lady's leg because of the fact that they were not hungry, but they misunderstood who she was. >> like, for real, what is he saying? that was unedited donald trump, yet, we keep hearing that joe biden, he is feeble. >> you see, sharks have electric currents, no, that is not what is talking about. >> it sounds like he is high, genuinely. this is something you hear from a college freshman, say you're in a boat, and there is a battery really far away. but because the batteries underwater the whole ocean is electrified. except the other side of the boat because it is blocked from the electric current. say you jump in and take your chances with the shark or take your chances with the battery, discuss. it is insane. and by the way, the comparison with joe biden, trump offered policy. joe biden makes gaffes, sometimes he will stumble, sometimes it is embarrassing. >> he also has a list. a >> and he has always done that.

>> always. >> not a list, a stutter. >> and he has worked with stutterer's, there is beautiful stories about that. but he never promises policy. he never goes on these insane rants. the equivalency for me is just nonexistent. >> in some ways it is a real pity that there is not as much wall-to-wall coverage of trump features as there were four years ago. four years ago people saw him unedited, in the raw. eight years ago, excuse me. >> a sickly joe biden is pushing up against the fact that as president in the united states he is always going to be monitored by a press pool, and everything he says is publicized. donald trump has a huge advantage of being able to pop up whenever he wants, throw out a couple of shark questions, and then disappear. which joe biden cannot do.

>> and they are not covering it the way they were before. you don't see this. >> that we criticize, and it works for not covering as much, and that it was the reverse before of wire you giving donald trump wall-to-wall coverage? >> i mean, that was a problem in the united states. we did do that. >> i think in 2016 he was new, he was novel, but he was also more on point that he has now. yes, the things he was saying were still kind of rambling and out there, but we had a better grasp of what he was trying to communicate at that time. so it was more dangerous. >> it was almost a negative charisma to it. a sort of narrative, manufactured narrative. it was flawed in pretty much every way ethically, but at least he was going somewhere. and as a comedian who appreciates improvising and ripping him a part of me was like well, this guy is a maniac. he's a showman. he is playing on everybody's fears and he really understands the fluid dynamics of what makes an audience work. now i am just like he has lost up there. give him a hook, get him out of here. but i agree with katie, there

is a sense that there is still a referendum on whether or not president biden is in some way enfeebled. so every possible gaffe that he has shown in a negative or edited light seems somehow newsworthy. if you are like this just in, trump, a lunatic. people are like yeah, we know. >> meanwhile, trump's birthday, today is his birthday, and if he wins he will become the oldest president in history in the course of this term. i know what is talking about that. >> yeah, biden through some shade at that actually from a social media post, actually quite clever, saying happy birthday donald trump. we both know what it's like to be old. age is not a factor. >> but then don't we have to go back to this narrative that the business community wants to lean on right now? because the same business leaders you are talking to love

to say he is feeble, he is incapable, yet joe biden has a laundry list of policy accomplishments, and when you hear the policies that donald trump wants to put forward, what did we hear this week? let's get rid of the u.s. tax system and replace it with super tariffs. that is disastrous. is all of this really just the business community hiding behind the fact that what they really want, which is to buy their way into the white house and have a bat phone into donald trump's office so they can get whatever they want and ensure they get ahead of the ftc who is not going to question what is happening? >> i think it is a lot of that, but i would say i think there are two things where the rubber is going to hit the road with the business community and trump in the next few months. one is what is going to happen to tariffs? and in particular to all of these factories they've been building in mexico and places like that, vietnam, to try to get away from china. if you believe what the trump team is saying right now, they are going to slap tariffs on those factories, too.

and that is going to really hurt. the other big thing is debt. almost everything trump is talking about right now is going to increase the debt. >> and republicans used to care about that. >> they did. in fact, it is pretty scary how not scared they are by the size of the debt that keeps expanding. >> i just want to add, i think that what the business community is thinking about, whether it is conscious or not, is what is scarier to us? or what is more appealing to us, rather? having that access to the white house, are we arrogant enough to believe that we can control donald trump? which we try to do when he was president before? do we think that could possibly work again? or are we more afraid of the idea that we would have a president who doesn't believe in the rule of law, which, at the end of the day, is what allowed america to be a great capitalist society. as we have rules, because we believe in courts, we believe in bankruptcy. we have order. that is what made america a great place to do business. and if you have a president who is going to come in and say i don't like these rules, if a company makes me upset, desantis and disney but on a

bigger scale, that is also scary. if you are looking at ceos, looking at guys like steve schwartzman, i think they are just weighing are we more afraid of what can happen or are we more tantalized with the opportunity to go in there and control the white house? >> and they have no fears about things like abortion rights, because none of those things are ever going to affect them ever. >> steve schwartzman is not getting an abortion anytime soon. >> also, anybody in the universe who would ever need one will be all set. we are seeing republicans attack joe biden for his fitness, many of their attacks are made up, their latest of attack has been that joe biden has politicized and westernized the doj. that was the whole argument around donald trump's conviction. and this week, of course, hunter biden was found guilty and joe biden has very clearly said he will not pardon his son, he will not commute his sentence. how stark is this difference?

i mean, how can republicans keep making this argument now that joe biden has really put it out there? >> you know, the funny thing is that it wasn't a difficult decision for me to vote for joe biden the first time around. when people release that somehow they got the transcripts of his messages back and forth with his son, like look at joe biden interacting with him. it was like a facebook messenger of his son in rehab. and as soon as i read it i was like this is a fundamentally decent guy. the way he talks about his son publicly, the way he treats his son publicly, he is apparent of a child with addiction. >> there are millions of us parents in this country. >> and i think it is one of those admirable things about him, genuinely. i think every flex on him really well. i think he handles it beautifully. it must be really difficult for him personally. >> and the republicans don't know what to do with that. they have this talking point, like the doj is westernized. they tried to dismiss the guilty verdict as they are just covering up the real biden

crime family crimes that we have not found any real evidence of and cannot prove, but surely this guilty conviction is really just a mastermind scheme to prevent us from learning the truth about biden. the knots they twist themselves into to get around the cognitive dissonance is really fascinating to watch. >> for four years fox news has been where's hunter? and he stood there in a courtroom, flanked by his family, and he has accepted his sentence. to this end up being, i am not going to say a positive for president biden, but to your point, is this an opportunity for america to see the importance of decency? >> it will be interesting to see how the evangelicals react to this. because if you believe in punishment and serving time, and then redemption and forgiveness, family loyalty, this is actually a pattern of behavior that the evangelical church should be applauding and upholding. i've not heard anything from them, but -- >> i have a huge evangelical

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this story really matters. the supreme court today struck down a trump arab man on bump stocks that was put in place after the shooting in las vegas that left 50 people dead and over 400 wounded. when you guys look at how the court is ruling involving any of these cases on guns, it consistently comes down on the side of fewer restrictions. the epidemic from gun violence is a uniquely american problem, it has not gone away, and is only getting worse. so where do we go from here? in terms of stopping gun violence? donald trump and the bump stock thing was something that, it was one of the few things you heard all sorts of americans say gosh, this was at least something. it was a good idea. >> absolutely. the fact that this court could even take something that happened during the trump

administration on guns and say no, completely unconstitutional. to try to pretend like the law is not written in such a way that these weapons of mass killing do not fall under the correct category of submachine guns and machine guns for it to be properly regulated. that is wild. and it was a completely ideological split. i think it just showcases how on these matters there is no real sort of debate amongst the court members. amongst the conservative members. it is just what is it that will allow for the most, the least amount of restriction when it comes to guns, period. and we are backwards from there. >> is an ideological split, but in two ways. one on guns, but the other on what kind of power the executive branch has. this is not the first decision, it will be the last decision where the supreme court weighs in on what can and executive branch do? because remember, the trump era bump stock decision was a

decision by the justice department, which initially said no, we cannot unilaterally ban bump stocks. we have to have congress pass a law. trump really wanted it, they found a way. what the supreme court does not like is the idea that presidents and their ministrations can basically make laws de facto through executive orders and other things. so they are saying no. who does that empower? it empowers congress, theoretically, which is completely dysfunctional and cannot pass a law to save their lives right now. so then it really empowers the supreme court. the supreme court is giving itself a tremendous amount of power here in this ruling, and we are going to see it again and again. so if you really want gun reform you have to elect politicians, it is just, there are so many voices telling us right now that elections are important. this is just another one. if you want reform, you're not going to get it through the courts. they are going to take away the power from the president and the executive branch. it all comes down to

legislation. >> and on the issue of the executive branch, it is not just about guns, it is around environmental policy, financial policy, antitrust policy. chevron, so many errors right now. we are essentially seeing power coming back from the agencies and back to the supreme court. frankly, that is a really scary prospect that congress is unable to, as you say, do anything at all. >> do you think this puts more pressure on congress to act? because every poll out there, more and more americans want something done in terms of common sense gun safety. >> is bipartisan, it feels like largely a bipartisan issue. >> and the power of the nra has weakened. >> you know what? if this is a referendum on checks and balances, yes. congress should pass a law. the answer your question is yes. the pressure on congress is what the people want. it is what the trumpet ministration wants, it is what the biden administration wants. i can understand that it is a semantic argument based on the

powers of the presidency, or the ordinance representation of the second amendment. but therefore this statement that turns a gun into a submachine gun, or anything legible, something, this semantic loophole that allows for many more deaths should be closed by congress. it seems like an easy one. >> all right, well, while all of this has gone on, let's talk about some of the specific justices. today we learn more questionable news about supreme court justice clarence thomas. that he took more trips, got more perks from the super texas billionaire harlan crow. even if harlan crow does not have any specific business before this court, it does not seem like it smells right, and clarence thomas, he doesn't seem to care. >> he really doesn't. he understands completely that because congress is not going to try to even think about impeaching him, which is the only check you really have for a supreme court justice, that he can basically do whatever.

as much as i appreciate the idea of trying to push for a code of ethics in congress, one, eight you see that senate democrats are not even willing to hold hearings to try to publicize this, to get public support for pushing this idea, and try to make more broadly known the issues that are in play here, and they aren't even willing to, what i would suggest that they do, take that ethics code and make it truly enforceable. make it within the legislation. say if you violate this code is grounds for impeachment. high crimes and misdemeanors, including bribery, are included in this ethics code. >> i just want to know if there is a status that you get. it seems he has flown harlan crow's airlines, but i want to know if he is getting lounge access, upgrades, frequent flyer miles. >> meanwhile, his team is always wanting his public brand to be like we just go out and take the rv, and we love these national parks. it is all a bunch of baloney.

>> okay, but the thing is, republicans who don't want to address this in congress, who don't want to talk about a new ethics code, are saying democrats just want this to happen because they don't like decisions that the supreme court is making. that is why they are pushing this. what is your take there? >> i mean, do democrats like the decisions of the spring court? many things can be true at once. >> there is that. even at the same time, they do believe that if we are going to have faith in the government, if we are going to have faith in the courts, it does not just mean no conflict of interest. it means you cannot have the appearance of the conflict of interest. and of course, if you have ever lived in washington, everybody knows that so many decisions are made, all the power is soft power. there are elections to become a senator, a congressman. but a lot of the influence happens in social settings. like on someone's really nice plane, flying to a really great vacation. that would be a really good place to influence someone. >> that people think that is how politicians operate.

for all these years we have had this naove, false notion that it doesn't happen with the supreme court. >> exactly. and that is one of the reasons why democrats, and i think some republicans, quietly, are upset about what is happening with clarence thomas, with justice alito, because it is getting the american public actual reason to believe that supreme court justices are just like politicians. when you see the ratings for congress and the senate, you know that is a bad thing. >> this is a great point. >> the slump is spreading and spreading. everyone is talking about a swamp, with house of cards, and the picture was always in congress. now you have the swamp going to the supreme court, too. >> there was always this idea that politicians can be bought and paid for, but they have to get himself elected, re-elected every few years. and that keeps them operating within the lines. but for the supreme court, they have no consequences. they have these jobs, by choice, until the day they die. and now we see, plain and simple, they are behaving how they want. think about this scandal with

justice alito. it does not seem to go away. now there's more tapes. it is like how do you think this is going to end up for him? he doesn't seem to care. >> is like there is a whole cabal of peeper who are in charge, and setting down the creed of how america is going to operate. i find it particularly shocking , having been born in the uk. i'm not an american citizen. but this is exactly the kind of pattern that the original american founding fathers were created to fight. >> we can joke that martha, his wife, is the new karen. but there is nothing funny about it. >> are there really no consequences? every time the new thing comes out i am like there are no consequences? there is nothing? >> for impeachment, you need congress. >> i mean, it seems egregious. >> there is no consequences, that is why it is so hard for someone to get confirmed on that bench. >> someone said to me, you know, it is the same thing. tonya brown jackson took

beyonci tickets. oh, my god. i saw her at the -- >> at the beyonci concert? >> no, no. at the mark twain awards. had to sit there really long comedy show. i felt that if you're republican, you you could be on a private jet, sitting at the kennedy center lisanti comedians do their best. everyone is staying right here. when we come back, joe biden is not going to the kennedy center, he is going to hollywood. here's a question. how much do star power help a campaign? maybe it actually hurts it. when the 11th hour and the nightcap continue. we are going to dig in. in. d is epa safer choice certified. it's gotta be tide.

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president biden will be in hollywood this weekend for a star-studded fundraiser. expected to attend, president obama, george clooney, julia roberts, to name a few. so, here is the question. hollywood stars coming out to support president biden. does that move anybody who is on the fence to vote for him or to come out and vote, or could it actually hurt in some way? or is all of this just a fundraiser? >> i have a thing about this that i have been screaming from the low rooftops. synagogue, making a big rooftop. >> i hate don't think people listen to celebrities on who to vote for, and less you are taylor swift. fantastic. but i do and that they will listen to celebrities about

issues. i think of the celebrity goes to a state and says voting rights are really important to me here. clean water is really important to me here. no oil drilling is really important to me here. then i think people -- >> in a place that is their home state, that they are connected to. like when charles barkley went to alabama, when judge roy moore was running and charles barkley went there and said do not be a low information voter, you deserve more than this. he had an impact. >> i think the other big thing is, the biggest race to my mind in november is people not voting at all, and a lot of really disaffected millennial's who say we just don't feel excited about this. and i think what taylor swift is doing right now with her get out the vote campaign, all of her appeals, is actually having an effect. you can see that in terms of people signing up. right now i think it's more important in some ways than what hollow hollywood does is

just tell people to get to the polls. >> i noticed you said gen zed . >> lovely. >> so are you gen zed then? >> no, i am a millennial. squarely a millennial. >> what you think about this? >> i agree. i think the celebrities also tend to try to play the field a little bit. not as much as business leaders, but they do want to, they will go offer democratic fundraisers, say god about, register to vote, without telling people specifically who to vote for. i think the people know, yeah. i think the money race is more important in this case. especially since right now the biden campaign democrats to have a fundraising lead over republicans. but, given the hall that came in right after trumps conviction

is wild. >> let me be clear, it is also most likely designed and timed. donald trump needed a really positive headline after the conviction, and we would be fools to think that that was not orchestrated that the next day he could say and look what i just did. the >> absolutely. they had that fundraising email ready to go the second the verdict dropped. it is part of their fundraising strategy to be like look at how aggrieved i am. look at how much i am being persecuted. but i think that the fundraiser in hollywood is important to help keep that going. because i think that the amount of money being spent right now for so many low information voters out there, you look at the polls and see how many people are even engaged and paying attention right now. the only way beyond celebrities saying go out and get to the polls, to engage in front of them, is to spend ad dollars and two inform them about what is at stake here. >> and you need those dollars for down ballot races.

we know on the republican side it is not going to go there. laura trump already said we are keeping the money, but can we just talk about this democracy? what was it, two months ago when president biden had the massive fundraiser right across the street at radio city and republicans went at it. it is disgusting, fast-forward, they are throwing fundraisers for him at silicon valley. >> they threw a retaliation fundraiser. it is going to be twice as big, it is going to be huge. >> fundraisers in london? you know. >> but they will use this weekend and say look at joe biden, with hollywood elite, disgusting. he is not a real man, he is not standing for america. when they are doing the exact same thing with just a different flavor of rich people. >> it is such an interesting question, because it presupposes that republicans care about hypocrisy, which i don't think exists anymore. especially when you look at all the people who have come back

to trump. you mentioned earlier the big meeting that trump had on the hill on wednesday. came to congress and everybody fell in line, even mitch mcconnell. who hates him. they were all there. i think hypocrisy is no longer an issue for the party, but something else is going on. and if you read mitt romney's book, if you talk to republicans, a lot of them will say it is fear. they don't have security. and they understand that donald trump supporters are extremely ardent, but also somewhat violent. because we saw on january 6th, the very event that they're trying to erase. so there is a lot at stake, it is not just supporting donald trump for all of these. >> you saw it with lindsey graham. he spoke out of it against donald trump on january 6, that night, i am done. the next day he was at reagan national airport flying to south carolina and got all but physically attacked by trump supporters. a minute later he is at mar-a-

lago saying you have a perfect handicap, sir. >> can we give another shout out to liz cheney? >> always. >> she is one of the few people who has absolutely been totally consistent all the way through. and boy, has it cost her. >> it has. i want to talk about this. because celebrities may be coming out for president biden, but you know who is not? studios. there is this movie that is coming out about donald trump, the apprentice, and it has already gotten amazing reviews. but there's a really good chance people don't get to see it. studios are shying away, they do not want to buy this thing. they don't want to put it out there. what does that say about where we are as a country? is that not showing that business leaders don't want to get offsides with the next potential president? that feels very russian of us. >> it certainly does. but there is actually a really big shift right now in the whole movie business away from actually having attributions for the controversial documentaries and controversial films. this comes at the end of a big trend we are seeing, which is

really scary. there have been great movies about russia, about china, about the middle east, which are not being able to be distributed, either. the fact that they are running shy of this one is part of a pattern about control. >> absolutely. and that is a problem, and then there is the fear that we have already discussed around politicians that we have talked about in terms of business leaders. do you want to get on the wrong side of donald trump? >> that's my point, does not feel like russia? >> and there is a world in which the election comes and goes, and if donald trump were to lose, that the movie would get distribution. because that is the balance. are we going to be rewarded by donald trump? because he will give us all the business perks we want? or will we be punished by donald trump because he actually doesn't believe in the rule of law that allows for business people to succeed? this is another example of it. let's see what happens after november.

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leave until they share their mvps of the week. who, to you, had the most significant week? >> okay, emmanuel macron, the premier of france. >> this is your late night sexy twist. and is not because of his dress sense, though that is pretty amazing. it is because after the right- wing won a lot of seats in the european elections, he said right, let's not normalize populism. let's actually call it out. i'm going to call an election and face it down. it is a massive gamble. he might lose it. but the fact is he is trying to tell the western world, including america, let's stop normalizing right-wing populism and actually call it what it is and fight it. >> we surprised? people keep inking the trump effect is here. it is there, as well. >> it is absolutely all over europe. that is no accident. people like steve bannon have been very active in recent years, trying to curate a brother populist movement. but yes, europe is absolutely looking at the same pattern as in america right now.

>> all right, i will go with my colleagues, because i love them. lisa layer and elizabeth diaz. they just came out with a book called the fall of rome. it is incredibly well written, it is very well reported. and i think a lot of people assume that roe v wade was overturned because donald trump was elected president and he put three support court justices on the bench. and that is true in part, but it was really a long-running plan by conservative legal scholars, by pro-life advocates to overturn this decision. and it was also a really bad slip for the left for pro- choice people to believe that it could not be overturned. just taking their eyes off the ball. >> but did they take their eyes off the ball? >> they really did. that is a great thing about this book. i cannot emphasize how well reported it is. how beautifully. when barack obama was elected, the belief that roe was going to be forever, a belief that we are on a completely progressive track in the united states was

something that not just people who support abortion belief. it was something a lot of people believe. the trump era was such a shock to so many, but one of the reasons is because there was some complacency. and i think that lisa and elizabeth do such a good job of explaining this, especially in light of what we saw this week with the supreme court decision. that was thrown out not because we had nine supreme court justices who support women's rights to choose. it was thrown out because they said the people who brought this case just don't have standing. >> and other people can and do have the standing. >> exactly. and they are the very same people who helped get row overturned, featured. >> but we see year after year, look at the federalist society. republicans know how to get organized. >> they are willing to play it out over years and decades. they are really patient. >> alejandra? >> the state of north dakota for passing a measure, setting an age limit on people running for congress. because there are some really

amazing politicians who are over the age of 80, i think we should keep them. they are literally grandfathered in. people know, the average age of the u.s. senator is dead. everyone is so old, we have one of the oldest governments on the planet in terms of the average age of politicians, and it is just time. people should be able to retire and spend time with their mega- donors. and i think this is a good first step. i was surprised to see it. and i think it's nice. >> you go, north dakota. >> all right, i am giving it to the head of the consumer finance protection bureau. it does not get a lot of love. republicans have hated it from the jump, because who wants to

protect consumers from fraud and from bad business practices? who wants that? they have tried to defund it. they have tried to sate is unconstitutional and illegal. and yet, they keep doing good things. this week what they did was next to vice president harris they announced that they are going to propose a rule that will make it so that medical debt can no longer be applied to credit scores. which will be huge for millions of americans. it is not the biggest, sexiest policy. but it is a policy that is going to actually help people. one in five american households has medical debt right now. typically it is around $4600. >> and it's not their fault. >> it is not their fault. and a lot of times you have bills that stack up, that if you call them and challenge them they will say oh, no, you don't owe that money actually. there was a mistake in your insurance. everything is fine. but it is currently negatively impacting their credit score, affecting their lives. my one concern with this is because it is so late in the rulemaking process that it is not going to come into effect until next year, then suddenly if trump wins, it is a trump

policy. but i love that it is being done. >> even if he gets credit for, it will help the american people. my mvp, it could be the best week or the worst week, but it has to be a big week. and mine had a huge one. elon musk. love him or hate him. think he is a dope for killing twitter or x, whatever you want to call it. tesla shareholders reapproved his 45 billion, that is billion with a b. jillian and i used to cover when we were thinking about ceos getting $45 million pay packages and people being up in arms about it. $45 billion pay package. that basically pays him back for buying twitter. it is like he got twitter for free. despite employee complaints, harassment suits, spacex, cringe where the conduct that a lot of people do not approve of. the company shareholders just told the world tesla is musk, and musk is tesla. and this

week, holy cow, he is winning. >> it's good that you really love him and cosign that. >> i don't love it or cosign it. i live in new york city. i don't drive. hayes, jillian, alex, thank you so much for being here. and alex's special is just out on max. and if you are thinking i don't know if it's that good? guess what, he is getting a tony for this weekend. it is. congratulations. we will be right back after this.

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